Ghetto Talk From Oly’s B@rrio RE: Homeless Journalism

From Olympia’s Homeless Solidarity FaceBook Page:

  – The Olympian : Christian group told to stop feeding people in city lot

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Lower wrote that the complaints include “blocking vehicle traffic and parking,” “garbage and debris being left behind after your event,” “food handling safety” and “participant and public safety.”

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  • Kim Dobson Jesus said feed the poor -what’s wrong with that ? They are just following scripture !
  • Amicus Curia Time to call in Food, Not Bombs! I’d like to see them try to make criminalizing feeding the poor stick.
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  • Ashley Celandine i will help with another serving day for FnB if anyone is game
  • Dani Madrone How about they stop a certain “Christian” group from posting those terrible pictures outside of Planned Parenthood. Garbage all over the place.
  • Emma Goldman i want them to say “we serve a higher authority.”
  • Tahoe Jones Clean up, or clear out. Pretty simple concept.
  • Amicus Curia Wait-a-minute! Provided the free food binge provides trash cans, why should their liability exceed the local sidewalk pizza joint’s or fast food front? It’s common sense. We know from our own eyes we see a lot of street litter with company logos on it. Why should those giving food to the poor for free have a greater liability than those who charge for it? I don’t see the pay-as-you-go outlets being run out of town for their litter. The City has become an oppressive landlord and a bit of a joke given they don’t even make 24/7 public toilets available. Talk about clean up or clear out–now THAT *is* disgusting!
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  • Tahoe Jones The problem in question was addressed with them many times. The trash was specifically related to their recruitment efforts, but they could not convince the crowd to clean up afterwards. Good riddance to an irresponsible armature wanna-be cult.
  • Tahoe Jones By the way, anyone want to know what type of litter we have, who produces it, and who is responsible about it, see me. I have picked up the litter of our downtown core for 2 1/2 years. Almost religiously. Multiple daily circles looking for trash events, as well as every other day, minimal. I am here. You are out there looking in. Our perspectives are of course, vastly different.
  • Amicus Curia Tahoe, how much comes from the local bars, quickie marts, fast food outlets, pizza joints and sidewalk eateries? Ultimately, it’s the consumer who should take responsibility, but given the free food programs are not as abundant as their commercial cousins, it stands to reason the majority of downtown litter comes from commercial outlets. Yet, they’re not being told to clean up or clear out. I see a lot of litter after most community events such as Procession of the Species, Art Walk, May Day, Harbor Days, Lakefair, etc. Perhaps the cleanest I’ve witnessed is the Bon Odori festival. I’m questioning the double standard.

    BTW, while it’s easy to sniff at the rank ‘amateurs’ when it comes to assisting the poor, shouldn’t we be encouraging all who want to help, regardless of their skill level? Don’t the poor/homeless need all the help they can get? Ennui is the greater enemy of the poor, not the maladroit.
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  • Tahoe Jones Those establishments pay taxes to fund the abundant receptacles. Right?
  • Tahoe Jones The reference to “armatures” was a intentional Jim Jones reference. Same M.O., different skill level.
  • Dana Walker An official in Florida called Food Not Bombs ‘Food Terrorists’.
  • Tahoe Jones I think he had them confused with Monsanto. Easy mistake, you can’t keep track of what they absorb.
  • Group told to stop feeding the homeless in downtown Olympia

    www.komonews.com

    A battle between City Hall and a homeless outreach ministry is about to come to a head in Olympia.
  • Charlie Jj Kruger i think that shutting down any group feeding people is a heartless move, especially one that has proven itself to be useful, kind, and positive. im not a ‘christian’ so to speak, but the 2 women and one young man who i have talked to a lot who work for CFM have been super kind and CLEARLY dedicated. i cant tell you how many homeless friends, and acquaintances have spoken highly of not only the food, but the dedication over at CFM. it was a cowardly move to shut them down, and im glad it is biting city hall in the ass. we need more people, on every corner, handing out food, informing people about where services are, and doing even little things to make this town more helpful and giving. i cant wait to see how this gets spun…
  • Amicus Curia I was there to cover it. The event itself was pretty upbeat and mellow, the crowd congenial. There was another ministry (City Gate) and feed on a diagonal block which was conducting a religious service by the time I got to it. I did some fact checking, and the businesses I asked (4th Ave. Tavern, Harlequin Theater, and The Reef restaurant) were not as congratulatory as the CFM organizer, Ben Charles, led me to believe. Over all, however, the police presence was nearly invisible and the event seemed to have widespread support…for some pretty intuitive reasons. I will be offering the completed story after I finish editing my coverage. I will post a link here.
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  • Amicus Curia Crazy Faith & City Gates Ministries Defy City, Feed the Poor
    http://amicuscuria.com/wordpress/?p=11377
  • Leslie Sirag What did happen to Bread & Roses? I somehow missed that.
  • Amicus Curia Bread & Roses used to have a hot meal program for the poor in Olympia. It was well used and popular, especially with people forced to live on the streets. But, like CFM, some merchants, et ux, began to complain. The City made it more and more difficult for B&R to maintain a permit. Eventually, B&R could not sustain the expense and had to fold its operation. They may still have an office for community organizing, I’m not certain. Or, it may have morphed into POWER directed by Monica Peabody. 

    At one time, I attempted to cover some of their public events, but no more. Monica is necessarily beholden to community sentiment to do her job as a community organizer. I, on the other hand, cannot do mine as an investigative photojournalist if held hostage to such sentiment. Monica insists on 100% consensus to cover one of her events. I cannot work under such conditions, and won’t. I might have given Monica the benefit of presuming she was a prisoner of her own device except her FB page actions belies that. There are plenty of people who’ll kowtow to the subjects of their reporting, so it shouldn’t serve as much of an impediment for her purposes. But, it does blind the public to a report that lets the chips fall where they may without fear or favor.

    So, in short, POWER may be what came of B&R, but it is beholden, not a good position to be in when you’re also taking government funding/largess. It’s an inherent conflict of interest, so independent investigatory photojournalists are used as an obsequious means of currying favor. I might opt to cover future stories if they’re in truly public venues. Right now, many of POWER’s are held in Darby’s Cafe in Olympia, which is not a public venue, but private property. They put on some newsworthy events, but no reporter wishing to avoid being seen as embedded with any camp can effectively work under the conditions described.
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  • Charlie Jj Kruger Leslie, Bread & Roses works now as a part women’s shelter, and has a few other little operations. its still a beautiful program, and they were already out of the immediate downtown area by the time i came to Olympia, so i never got to see them in full action. but i do know that they now operate a womens shelter, so i am very thankful for that.
  • Alex Daye B&R and POWER are unrelated. That was quite a tangent.
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  • Monica Peabody For a reporter, Amicus Curia, you are woefully ill informed. Good reporters fact check prior to putting things into print. POWER has always made decisions by consensus. It is not my decision to make whether or not you can record a POWER meeting. It is the decision of those attending.
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  • Monica Peabody POWER and Bread and Roses have never morphed or connected in any way other than working in solidarity in this community to alleviate poverty. I’m not sure how Bread and Roses is funded, but POWER receives no government funding.
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  • Amicus Curia This forum isn’t an ‘article’ published by me, it’s internet chitchat in which I expressed reservations/doubt about my conjecture, not that it was a critical point in any event. One needn’t engage in ‘fact checking’ to chew the fat. If I’m ‘woefully’ informed, this is a good place to become enlightened, no? I routinely speculate in chat rooms/FB, though do try to exercise more diligence in a publication such as the Mason County Blog. 

    You speak of POWER as though it were some abstraction with a life and will of its own, remaining silent on the fact it is also a source of income. Office space/rent costs $. People, including you, must purchase groceries, pay rent/utilities, pay for transportation, etc. I recall (though my memory is imperfect) you’re telling me you *did* receive some government grants when asked. If not, why not? Does POWER receive donations from faith based groups? Any organization that maintains office space, a phone line, and someone available to answer it receives support from somewhere.

    Since you raised the issue, at this point, I think I will do some fact checking on funding, grants, etc. I’ll check w/the City and County while I’m at it.
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  • Amicus Curia According to City of Olympia staffer Connie Cobb’s memory, POWER did indeed receive funding/contract for at least a couple of years from the City of Olympia. HSRC’s Patty Swanson had no record of having recommended POWER for the same to the City, yet suggested it may have distributed the funds outside the normal vetting HSRC promotes for multiple jurisdictions. Anna Schlecht is Olympia’s current Housing Program manager since Connie left that role sometime around/before 2010. Patty Swanson works with/for Thurston’s Public Health & Social Services agency.

    One reason for video taping, photographing, and audio recording public events/meetings is precisely for the kind of circumstances exemplified here: Challenges to the reporter’s account, veracity, recollection, or competence. But, when the documentation is in a video/audio clip or photograph, the evidence speaks for itself. At this point, what years and the amounts POWER received funds from the City of Olympia are being researched. I’m going on Connie Cobb’s recollection since she was involved in that function as a City employee for many years.
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  • Amicus Curia Hi John,

    Below is the information you requested. As noted in our phone conversation, I turned these types of contracts between the City of Olympia and social service, non-profit organizations over to Anna Schlecht in 2009. Ordinarily I would direct you to her for anything after 2009, but according to my research below, there has been no funding to or on behalf of POWER (through ITTP) since what is noted below in 2009.

    In 2008 the City awarded a contract to International Trauma Treatment Program (ITTP) for Parents Organizing for Welfare and Economic Rights (POWER) in the amount of $11,600. The contract was extended through June, 30, 2009. No payments were made in 2008, but the full amount of $11,600 was paid to ITTP for POWER in 2009.

    I also checked in the City’s Vendor system. POWER is not listed as a vendor, so no payments have ever been made by the City of Olympia directly to them. ITTP has been paid $,11,600 by the City, which was in 2009 for POWER.

    I went back through 2004 in my records.

    If you need anything more, let me know.

    Sincerely,

    Connie Cobb
    Executive Department | City of Olympia
    PO Box 1967 | Olympia WA 98507-1967

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  • Dani Madrone Why has this thread been hijacked to pick apart POWER?
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  • Amicus Curia A rhetorical question given POWER is part of the community’s effort to address poverty and homelessness. And while it’s not accurate to say it’s being picked apart, it is subject to criticism as much as any other community/government based organization. Are you suggesting it’s a sacred cow? Or are you implying POWER has nothing to do with issues confronting the poor and the homeless? I’m certain they’d be disappointed to learn that, if it’s genuinely how you feel. Perhaps you believe a person shouldn’t respond to a challenge regarding their veracity or competence in the forum in which it was issued?

    There is an on overriding layer of wanting to kill the messenger in Thurston County activist circles. That, in itself, makes the thread relevant/material. Since that door was opened, transiting it should be fair game. Monica, the POWER director/organizer, took exception to some details regarding government funding and reporting skills. She, et ux, got a response in the same forum where the complaint was aired. Whether a community outreach NGO, reporter, or political activist has a conflict of interest is always material to a discussion surrounding those issues…protestations referencing ‘solidarity’, ‘consensus’, etc. notwithstanding. Your comment is a thinly veiled attempt to sweep such public discussion under the rug. Perhaps you too would like 100% ‘consensus’ to air it?
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  • Dani Madrone Monica knows how I feel about POWER, and that’s all that really matters to me. She entered the conversation because of the criticisms you directed at her. I think what you are talking about is completely irrelevant and unwarranted in this particular thread of discussion. If my comment is a thinly veiled attempt at anything (I think it was pretty direct), it is to say that.
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  • Amicus Curia I try to criticize everyone, Monica is no exception. I don’t agree the discussion is ‘irrelevant’–and for many reasons, only some of which were spelled out here. Like so many well intentioned NGO’s/activist coalitions, it was well conceived in the abstract, but lacks some important elements in its execution. One of those is transparency, including the press which insists on reporting without fear or favor. Issues affecting the poor and the homeless cannot be effectively addressed without such coverage. That Monica/POWER prefers ‘advocacy journalism’ to publishing the facts without embedded reportage, fear or favor, is fair comment. They’re not alone in that preference, granted, but have sufficiently defined their position (100% consensus) to make for a case study. 100% consensus may be in order for group ACTIONS, but it’s hardly the basis for discussion or reporting, filming, photography, or audio recording in public venues. This is a call for more transparency, not an attempt to impugn one of your favorite NGO’s. 

    I recall a public meeting you gave a presentation at while attending TESC. A cloaked photojournalist attended and immediately the man conducting it demanded to know his identity, which, of course, isn’t required at such meetings. Paradoxically, others say they don’t want to be filmed or photographed at such meetings because they want to remain anonymous or that it would have a chilling effect on their participating if their identity were known. So which is it? If anonymous pure speech is to be protected, it should extend to the press as well. This simple balancing principle seems lost. A messenger must be free to speak or no message will be conveyed at all. This isn’t in anybody’s best interest in a democracy which depends on informed consent. Groups such as POWER have a habit of selecting journalists who they believe will provide sympathetic reporting rather than simply accurate reporting. Such rallying around the flag should be saved for sporting events rather than the press which needs a variety of viewpoints to get the whole picture. With a prerequisite of 100% consensus, POWER virtually guarantees only those likely to tell the story the way THEY want it told will succeed in being granted access to its quasi-public events.

    In a sense, this is an extension (though a non-violent one) of the hostility commonly directed at the press, especially by some of the more radical street elements. It is that hostility which Monica feels constrained to abide by unless given 100% consensus that NOBODY at the event harbors it! Anyone who has attended such a meeting knows it’s tightly orchestrated and chaired.
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  • Dani Madrone I don’t have much sympathy for those of the “press” that don’t respect the personal boundaries of others.
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  • Leslie Sirag POWER is another org I really like & would be happy to help however I can. I did get to spend my food $ at their booth at Make Oly, which felt pretty good.
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  • Leslie Sirag Bread & Roses used to be pretty open & wonderful, but when last heard from had decided to shelter only women in “recovery” and their children, and were being terribly picky about exactly what type of blankets, etc. they were willing to accept (we weren’t offering anything non-standard, they just had an extremely specific list & wanted nothing else, so we donated to EGYHOP, another really admirable program.
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  • Amicus Curia Dani, that’s as I suspected, though nobody asked for your sympathy for anything. You conflate your personal biases with the need for transparency in public affairs, public events, and public NGO’s such as POWER. POWER has received public/government funding. It attempts to address issues that affect the entire community as well as those unique to the poor and homeless. Frankly, I have little sympathy for those who do not grasp the need for transparency in the meetings/events held by the same to discuss/present proposed solutions or simply to announce the status quo such as is scheduled @ Darby’s Cafe in Olympia. (What’s up with the new Health Care Reform law now that it’s in effect.) Despite how important that issue is to the entire community, especially the poor, I decided I couldn’t cover it because I don’t want to waste my time and go to the expense of showing up to a meeting held for that purpose where a reporter has to seek permission from EVERYBODY (100% consensus) to be allowed to record the presentation. 

    Like I said, I’m certain (because I’ve witnessed them) Monica and POWER will be able to find reporters that will seek the approval of those subjects they are covering. I’m not one of them. If I’m covering a story, I do NOT feel bound to get the permission of the subject(s) I’m reporting on unless it is intended for commercial purposes. The misapprehension of many that such is required has permeated onto the streets. Photojournalists are challenged (or worse) for merely walking down the street with a camera. Your ‘personal boundaries’ in public venues are much more limited than they might be in a private venue, at least in law. You should know that if I, or another photojournalist sees you in a public setting and decides your photograph or video is newsworthy, I/they are likely to capture it with/without your consent. 

    You might have noticed (if you ride them) the public transit buses capture your image, video, and conversations WITHOUT your consent as well and over any objections you might raise. Their argument is you’ve given implied consent by boarding the bus. Of course, children, by definition, can give no implied consent as a matter of law. But it’s easier to ‘pick’ (as you put it) on a citizen journalist than it is to take on the power of government and the mob. Your sympathy, one way or the other, is neither here nor there. I will continue to record what I can see, hear, taste, smell, or feel in public venues/spaces if I believe it’s newsworthy precisely because it eliminates challenges to my competence, memory, or veracity, and beyond that, is a matter of personal safety.

    You might want to read the following link for one detailed explanation of why conversations, images, and video are recorded in public spaces/venues (buses) WITHOUT ‘consent’:http://onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs/tcrp/tcrp_syn_93.pdf

    I, for one, support the need for bus drivers to have such recordings made and follow suit myself. I suspect you’d be ‘unsympathetic’ to that were I to do so even on a public transit bus where you’re being recorded anyway. It’s always easier to ‘pick’ on the low hanging fruit. Now, bus drivers have had their assailants prosecuted with the help of these recordings. I envy their capacity to hold those miscreants accountable. So, you, et ux, can add ‘personal safety/boundaries’ to the list of reasons I cite for documenting what happens at public meetings and in public venues. I don’t make exceptions. For an educated woman, you seem bizarrely uncomfortable with the idea that privacy (at least in public) is dead. Get over it!
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    ps: If Scott Yoos had had the benefit of such an audio recording the night he was accosted by Olympia police, he wouldn’t be in the legal jam he’s in now. I, for one, believe he’s innocent. PROVING that has been difficult for him. I made the mistake of not taking my own advice in 2011 while accommodating a disabled young mother in Thurston Co. Fortunately, I was able to prevail by representing myself. I will NOT make the same error (not documenting everything in a public venue such as a courthouse hallway) again. The old Greek adage applies here: “Even the gods cannot protect a fool from his/her folly.” It is not only foolish, but idiotic today not to be prepared to document what happens while you are in public. People and public officials lie routinely. I should post one such occurrence not so long ago. I need to think about how newsworthy it is. It happened in the Shelton DSHS lobby, a venue POWER itself may be familiar with. The office manager challenged my right to take photographs of signs posted in that public space, called the cops. When the cop showed up, we recognized each other, shook hands, and the cop basically informed the State apparatchik that I was within my rights. He also informed me I could continue to do so as long as I wasn’t being ‘disruptive’ or interfering with their function. Your biases on this issue are old hat for me. Another incident occurred at a Scottish festival in the State park by Bellfair (Hood Canal area on the Kitsap Peninsula). An older gentlemen collapsed during the event in this public park. I began to take some pictures as the medics attended him lying on the ground. Some (perhaps your cousins?) began to object to my taking the pictures, which I considered to be a newsworthy event (the speed of the medics response to the emergency, etc.). I ignored them. Shame on me, but that’s how it is. I’m not covering stories to make friends, but to tell what I see, hear, etc. for public consumption as a news piece.
  • Amicus Curia It occurs to me that too many continue to conflate charity with civil rights. Dani offers her heartfelt approval of POWER for their good works while condemning those dastardly photojournalists she believes don’t respect “personal boundaries”. Monica feels a photojournalist should have EVERYBODY’S approval at a public meeting, at least one conducted by POWER. The civil rights of the public to a free unrestrained press (as well as each individual’s right to act in such a capacity) take a distant back seat to sympathy for the virtuous. Mayor Buxbaum of Olympia advanced the same argument when he gutted the civil rights of the homeless by discriminating against them as a vexing sub-class. He even boasted of doing so for the purpose of ‘momentum’, as he called it. He excused this deliberate creation of a crisis among our most vulnerable citing the generosity of the City by providing services for the homeless historically. His Honor calculated he could conflate charity with civil rights, substituting one for the other, much as those here opposed to unmitigated press coverage of public events do. To a large extent, he has succeeded. 

    But, ‘public privacy’ is an oxymoron. It doesn’t exist. ‘Sympathy’ does not have the force of law. There are excellent reasons why the press must remain unfettered in covering public events, not the least of which is it serves those best who often are its most ardent critics. The right to know what’s happening in our public spaces in a democracy dependent on informed consent cannot be overstated. This right must be afforded to all comers, not just those vetted by the subjects of the reportage. 
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  • Dani Madrone If I ever see you at one of my events with your camera and your arrogant attitude, I will have you removed. With or without your consent.
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  • Amicus Curia If it’s a public event, I’ll sue you for violation of my civil rights and your conceited arrogance. I’ll also have the evidence to make it stick. You’d need a mob as the police know better. I’m serious. If it’s a private event hosted by you, I doubt I’m serious. If it’s a private event hosted by you, I doubt it would be of much interest. Don’t quit your day job.
    I won’t be bullied/intimidated, and I won’t back down. I guess you’ll just have to kill me. (Guess I should save this to e-mail if I’m going to start building a case!) Also, your bent would make a good story.
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  • Alex Daye Amicus wrote: “I won’t be bullied/intimidated, and I won’t back down. I guess you’ll just have to kill me. (Guess I should save this to e-mail if I’m going to start building a case!) Also, your bent would make a good story.”

    Did you know that an estimated 100 firefighters are arrested each year for arson? They go around starting fires just so they can put them out. I find that your behavior is frequently, as now, analogous to theirs. Trolling for your next story, or lawsuit, on this community forum is completely out of line. Your behavior, like the firefighter arsonists, strikes me as something pathological; and like theirs, it is destructive to the people around you. It is not acceptable for you to be a threat, or threatening, to the people in this solidarity group, lest you should destroy its potential and reduce it to what this particular thread has become: all about you and your obsession de jour.
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  • Charlie Jj Kruger ok… so… past all of this bloviating, i would like to bring up something actually linked to this article. Monica, i talked with a man today while i was at the Well for the monday pbj sandwich handout. this guy is a super nice and quite impassioned man that i have known and bumped into almost daily (or at least thrice weekly as that is the PBJ Project’s schedule) who is involved in some capacity with CFM. he was talking about finding other outreach/awareness groups in town and kinda just… touching base about the food handout issues that are beginning to face our community. i singled out POWER as well as you in particular as a caring and knowledgeable person to talk to. i even gave him directions to the POWER office, but told him i wasnt 100% your hours. so…i hope that wasnt too presumptuous of me. but i love the work that POWER has done, and i even have friends associated/involved that i respect greatly. also, Amicus, i have been invited to POWER meetings MULTIPLE times, and i know that they are open for anyone to go to. there is a difference between showing up and filming everything and coming off as a personal space invader, and going there to listen and report. just saying.
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  • Amicus Curia Alex, actually, I did know that, although not the raw numbers. But, journalism is not arson, despite your misgivings. What I find pathological is apologists for violent miscreants with no appreciation for the panoply of civil rights belonging to ALL citizens. That you would characterize the exercise of those rights as ‘inappropriate’ exposes your own bias. The only ‘trollers’ I see are those threatening violent/extra-judicial action targeting those, including myself, who would exercise those rights we believe are at risk of loss if we do not. You, et ux, have no expectation of ‘privacy’ in a public forum/venue/space and the violence on the streets intended to promote that misapprehension are justly condemned.

    Choosing to communicate about a public issue doesn’t obligate anyone to ‘solidarity’ (euphemism for agree w/my position or else) on any point. You condemned my reaction to being assaulted at a TESC public event for showing up with a camera. You do so now for postulating the same premise. It’s a problem that isn’t going away, whether it’s me, Tony Overman, or any other 1st Amendment advocate ringing that bell which you call ‘trolling’ and all about ‘me’. *sigh* When you can’t argue the facts, attack the person, slander their character…ad hominem. 

    The rights enshrined in the Constitution aren’t listed for the sake of the majority or the popular, but the unpopular, even a minority of ONE! (See: THE PEOPLE vs. LARRY FLYNT) Evergreen should require a civics class before graduation. There are folks who force government agencies to comply with Washington’s Public Disclosure Act (a citizen’s initiative) all the time by suing them for statutory damages when the agency resists or delays. More power to them. That’s the purpose of lawsuits. Get a copy of your federal Constitution and read it. I understand it can be found online for free.
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  • Amicus Curia Charlie, within this string of commentaries, Monica suggested I was incompetent and incorrect as a reporter for criticizing POWER in not having a more open/transparent policy regarding their ‘public’ meetings. As a matter of personal safety, and establishing a record of what occurs at public events/meetings, I choose to (and will) record. I just demonstrated that POWER has received public funding after doing some fact checking when challenged. Why would I want to be in a position where someone/anyone (as they’ve done so often) says, “Oh no, that’s not what happened,” or “Amicus, you’re so full of it. You’re biased/trolling/inaccurate, etc. etc.”? Recordings solve a lot of arguments about what really happened. That’s why public transit authorities are starting to use them across the nation. Go down to the bus terminal and kick a tire. I’m tired of debating the obvious. There is NO expectation of privacy in public. You, et ux, may not like it, but it is what it is. That I choose to point out the obvious and openly state I will act on it shouldn’t be an excuse for threats and intimidation. If you threaten me in public with any kind of physical force, I *WILL* respond appropriately, I will document/record it, I will go to court over it. Consider that Public Notice. I’m not keeping mum about anything unless I agree to it before hand, and I haven’t. 

    I’m providing others the courtesy of spelling this out, which I’m not obligated to do. It should be a no brainer. That it isn’t, to some, means too many are living in denial. BTW, you have NO idea, besides me, of who is listening.
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    • Emma Goldman “Amicus- a brilliant legal mind and fearless journalist.”
      There…
      Now get the fuck out.
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    • Amicus Curia I will be attempting to cover the trial of Mr. Alex Daye, et ux, beginning Nov. 4th (I believe) 2013 in Thurston District Court for criminal trespass regarding the temporary homeless shelter erected on the State’s Fish & Wildlife property near the Port of Olympia last winter. Best wishes for an acquittal. See you there.
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      • Alex Daye And you may be subpoenaed as a witness, but that is not relevant to your behavior here. You brought Monica into this conversation by name, out of the blue, for the purpose of airing your grievances publicly. You were called out on you behavior and then…See More
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      • Amicus Curia Alex, for a guy embedded with scofflaws on steroids, you make a lot of noise as to behavior. I’m not into religion all that much, including sacred cows. I reject your characterization and dissembling. I stated my position extensively, and I’m sticking …See More
      • Amicus Curia It also occurs to me that a witness who has been ‘threatened’ in your forum (e.g. by Dani Madrone) with your apparent blessings wouldn’t make a very credible one.
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      • Alex Daye Your credibility is spiriling down the drain.
      • Amicus Curia Have it your way.
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      • Alex Daye This is all you.
      • Monica Peabody Amicus Curia, I actually suggested you were incompetent and incorrect because you were incompetent and incorrect, not because you criticized POWER. Despite your trying to discredit me, I have actually not made any untrue comments. I said that POWER d…See More
      • Amicus Curia Of course, you realize(?) that documenting/recording/JOURNALing public events kinda makes ‘credibility’ moot, yes? The record speaks for itself, which is why I make/save it. You’ll find the court does the same thing.
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      • Monica Peabody Charlie Jj Kruger, thank you for your kind words and your recognition that POWER meetings are for the empowerment of everyone there. And thank you for bringing this conversation back to Alex Daye‘s original point, which is how reprehensible it is for Olympia City officials to be attempting to oust a program which successfully feeds hundreds of hungry people each week. And which brings community together in a really positive way. You are always welcome to send people over to the POWER office. We really appreciate it. He did come in. I wasn’t there, but he talked with a POWER volunteer and another community member who stopped by to network. We will discuss it at the member meeting on Wednesday. I’d like to join any community effort towards showing solidarity for the good work the Crazy Faith folks are doing.
      • Amicus Curia So you’re relying on the subtleties of tense in your syntax? Monica, you’ve missed your calling. You should have been a lawyer, or as President Bill would have (and did) said, “It all depends on what the meaning of ‘is’ is.” 

        As to your 100% consensus paradigm, who mandated that? You? Suppose ONE person (in attendance) disagrees that a journalist should be excluded? That would conflict with your 100% rule you suggest somehow organically appeared. It all depends on what question is asked and who chooses the same. I suspect you take a dim view of the current federal government shutdown given the impact it has, especially on the poor. But, if so, wouldn’t that be inconsistent with your 100% consensus theory?

        As per our brief phone conversation, ‘solidarity’ is your buzzword, not mine. I properly (in my commentary in this forum) expressed reservations about that which I suspected, and pointed out the obvious on others, such as funding. It stands to reason you are beholden to those who provide funding or otherwise impact the viability of your operation, regardless of how well you sleep at night. Moreover, this FB page isn’t (or at least wasn’t, until now) an article I published. As is my custom, I’ve allowed the material to speak for itself. Your standards for coverage of what you say is community based/public is unrealistic. 

        “Journalism is printing what someone doesn’t want published. Everything else is public relations.” -G. Orwell-

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