I’m listing all the shots in Jay Hupp’s slide show presented circa 2006, a classic example of premeditated permitting, to go along with a video of his exultant lecture during the presentation which can be found at the following link:
You can follow along by playing the youtube (above) clip in one table to listen to Jay unwittingly concede the inferiority of BioMassacre as a virtual caveman technology adverse to people and the environment while scrolling to the images here he’s referencing.
Coastal Bio-Energy Forum:
Sharing experience and exploring the future of bio-energy in the coastal region. (But Hupp concedes he knows very little about biomass to energy or biomass to anything!) Jay Hupp, Business Development Services University of Washington, Olympic Natural Resources Center, Forks, WA April 4, 2006
“If you can imagine trying to catch a hog fuel truck in front of a sub-station, that’s not easy!” -Jay Hupp- (no, but he’s pretty glib for a guy who admits he’s not an expert on anything to do with biomass incineration.) “My name is Jay Hupp, and I’m in the business of helping businesses to develop” -JH-
“I’m absolutely not an expert on biomass to energy or biomass to anything.” -J. Hupp-
Jay admits doing a feasibility study for BioMassacre as far back as early 2005. He admits there were a number of problems including regulations which he later brags were eliminated with the help of his good buddy, Tim Sheldon.
“We ran into a difficulty with the availability of cooling water….where it becomes a big deal is when you run into water rights issues. The water is there. Can you get your hands on it. That’s the question!” -J. Hupp-
“Other things that come into concern, we talked about the water, fuel availability and alternative fuels…co-firing a facility where it’s desirable or necessary to have.” -JayHupp-
Here we see the forest soil is already sorely stressed after a typical clearcut. Jay and his cohorts propose stripping even this scant remainder. Having robbed the baby of its clothing, they now want to strip it of its undergarments, bankrupting forest soils, biodiversity, stream and water protection in the process. They refer to this highly necessary organic material as if it were garbage, a nuisance.
“What’s the opportunity, how do you get to the opportunity, and what happens when you get there? What kind of risk do you run into if you decide to get there?” -JH-
Alternative Fuels? “I want to make sure we’re all on the same track. The biomass that surrounds all of us, the logging slash–unorganized, land clearing activity, land clearing DEBRIS, construction/yard waste, URBAN WASTE…” -JH-
“…residuals out of mills, sawdust, bark, shavings, and the intentionally ground biomass that comes from larger otherwise less usable forms of wood.” -JH-
“Now the opportunities have been there for a long time. ” -JH- (Here Hupp refers to the many other uses forest products are put to other than the torch, e.g. paper, pulp, bedding, landscaping, particle/chip board, insulation, flooring, etc. without even mentioning the myriad forest based cottage industries such as wreaths, mushrooms, tourism, recreation, value to the environment and humanity itself.) “You like that?” -JH-
If the buffalo herds still roamed the prairies today, Jay would be foremost among those slaughtering them.
“The next level (future) will be the gasification of wood.” -JH
“This is *my* idea, and I’m not an engineer, of how a co-generation (incinerator) facility ought to work.” -JH-
Get Our Hands On It? “We ran into a difficulty with the availability of cooling water….in the past it has not been a big deal. Where it becomes a big deal is when you run into water rights issues. The water is there. Can you get your hands on it. That’s the question!” -J. Hupp-
“Other things that come into concern, we talked about the water, fuel availability and alternative fuels…co-firing a facility where it’s desirable or necessary to have.” -JH-
Consumption of Biomass?
“Some of these operate with the opportunity to use alternative fuel in case you lose your primary source of fuel to keep the generator turning which makes Rick happy. It’s wise, if you have a large load consideration, to have some way to drive that generator other than your primary source of fuel. As we look across the country, historically, a number of them are gathering rust today that were good facilities 10 or 15 years ago.” -J. Hupp-
“In most cases, it is the source of fuel that has dried up, changed, or the cost of fuel has become such that it no longer makes it economically wise to run the facility. We stand here and say, water?, it’s out there. Biomass?, it’s out there. But when you make an investment…there are subjects that need to be looked into…that may not be obvious. Permitting costs? Obviously we can permit them because we have them operating all over western Washington.” -J. Hupp-
“But that is not an easy subject. It’s not an inexpensive subject either. One of the other things that we ran into with a look into Mason County, there was a restriction on the height for buildings of 36 feet. Well that incinerator down at Sierra Pacific is over 100 feet high. And we looked at that and said, How does this fit? So I got together with Tim (Sheldon) and we changed the regulation. Right? So now we no longer have a 36 ft. restriction in Mason Co.” -JH
Encouraging Other officials to follow suit:
“But what’s the restriction in your county? You know, those kinds of things.” -JH-
“The location to the grid, the proximity to the fuel source is critical. It’s particularly critical when you begin to look at alternative fuel sources or co-firing fuel sources. Are you close enough to get it? What’s the transportation cost factor if you have to haul it in? What if you want to increase generating capacity?…Logs are getting expensive. All that hog fuel generated by the mill may not be sufficient to generate where you want to go. It’s important to look at alternative sources.”
“The Risks? There’s 2 gorillas in the room, 1, a 900# gorilla and 1, a 600# gorilla. The 900# gorilla if you look at the big picture and the history of biomass, the 900# gorilla is the fuel source. It’s not only the availability of the source itself, it’s the nature of the source and it’s the cost of the source. So we’re in a very dangerous position here if it looks like fuel is not a problem. Take the time, the effort, and the energy to make sure it’s not a problem. Don’t just assume.” -JH
Jay never mentions or considers the costs to people, their health, the environment, or their consent. He’s utterly singular and rapacious in his thinking while conceding such issues only as obstacles to be overcome.
“The 600# gorilla in the room is the regulatory environment, which is a kind of unpredictable animal. As we all know, unexpected regulatory changes happen that cause a devastating impact on a facility of this nature.” -Jay Hupp-
Click the following link to see:
Gregoire’s Perfidy – The Politics of Poison
Chief Seattle’s letter can be found at the end.
Click on the following two links to see more details about a candidate (NANCY WILLIAMS) running for 35th District Senate who opposes the BioMassacre promoted by Jay Hupp and Tim Sheldon. She also opposes corporate welfare which is bankrupting the public and further impoverishing our most vulnerable citizens.
Most importantly, attend rallies and meetings, talk to all your neighbors about this issue and the impact it will have on them. Encourage everyone not to ‘sell’ their children, but to come up with novel/creative ideas for protesting against this travesty. Take every opportunity to educate others and do not dismiss anyone as ‘unreachable’ when it comes to the effort to enlighten everyone.
Notice Jay Hupp is not preaching about actually protecting air and water quality, only about regulations that might impact industry in the course of defending these vital resources.
The following 2 links are interviews of Vermont low income residents forced to live beside a 50MW bioincinerator: